Discussion with David VanDrunen on Christian Nationalism, Stephen Wolfe & Doug Wilson

Does Jesus want a Christian nation? Pastor Chris Gordon welcomes his former Westminster professor Dr. David VanDrunen to the AGR studio to answer this question and many more. They discuss one of his books “Living In God’s Two Kingdoms”, as well as the writings of Doug Wilson and Stephen Wolfe, as they tackle the topic of Christian Nationalism, the collapse of Christendom and how believers should respond to a society spinning out of control. They look to the New Testament for guidance on how Christians should be spiritually framing our nation’s raging culture wars, and how to stay true to the path the Lord has called us to take.

Chapters
00:00 - intro
01:39 - Christian Nationalism Issues
02:20 - Christ & Culture
03:29 - The Collapse Of Christendom
05:44 - Religious Freedom In The U.S.
07:30 - Culture Wars
09:00 - Politics
11:20 - Living In God’s Two Kingdoms
12:51 - Quoting Wolfe & Wilson
15:00 - Opposition To Christianity
17:00 - Common Grace
20:45 - Legal Order
25:00 - Is Liberty A Protestant Idea?
27:30 - Second Use Of The Law
24:13 - Belgic 13
34:40 - Cycles Of Iniquity
37:00 - Interacting In Society
40:00 - We Are Sojourners
43:00 - Are Christian Nationalists Earthly-Minded
47:40 - Defining Masculinity
50:39 - Why Not A Christian Law?
55:22 - Mosaic Judicial Law
57:00 - Defining Christian Nationalism
1:01:00 - How Does A Nation Become Holy?
1:02:20 - Mere Christendom Questions
1:11:00 - Will God Judge Us?
1:13:00 - Special Revelation?
1:17:30 - Role Of Christian Magistrate?
1:21:00 - A New Covenant

Dr. VanDrunen, a minister of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, began teaching at Westminster Seminary California in 2001. He was formerly a pastor of Grace Orthodox Presbyterian Church in Hanover Park, IL, and has served on the Orthodox Presbyterian Church’s Committee on Christian Education since 2005. He was the recipient of the Acton Institute’s Novak Award (2004), a visiting fellow at the Center for the Study of Law and Religion at Emory University (2009), a Henry Luce III Fellow in Theology (2016–17), and Research Fellow at the Protestant Theological University in The Netherlands (2022). Dr. VanDrunen is the author or editor of thirteen books, including Politics after Christendom: Political Theology in a Fractured World (Zondervan Academic, 2020), named Book of the Year (2021) in Politics and Public Life by Christianity Today. His scholarly articles have appeared in many journals, including Journal of Reformed Theology, Journal of Law and Religion, and Journal of the Society of Christian Ethics.
Dr. VanDrunen and his wife, Katherine, a WSC alumna, have one son and reside in Escondido.

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